How did this trip to Tunisia come about?
Itís something Iíve never seen before. Iím part of that generation of revolutionaries which has never lived the experience. Itís the first time Iíve been through something like that in real life. I saw it with my own eyes. I love this collective enthusiasm, itís contagious and intoxicating. As Iím speaking to you there are still thousands of citizens on the streets, in clusters, hundreds of people who are describing the events on Facebook and Twitter, trade unionists who are mobilised to demand the resignation of the ďnewĒ government. The revolution is continuing here.
What is your feeling about this popular uprising?
Revolution is a complex process which moves ahead little by little and creates its own path. The revolution is continuing because it has only one goal: to get rid of this charade of a government. At the moment the Tunisian oligarchy still has the country in its grip; the police are also controlled by them as is every sector of the economy and that suits no one here. The opposition wants to convene a constituent assembly to change the institutions and move along a new road.
So, revolution isnít a crazy dream? Does that give you any ideas?
Yes. Iím absolutely filled with hope (laughter). I know now that revolution is possible, itís there, under my eyes. No revolution resembles another. There is no model. When people have tried to copy it has often ended badly. Iím here to learn and to understand. Iím noting things about organisation, the structure of the movement and itís thrilling. We too really need a social-democratic revolution.
Youíve met some of the opposition. Do you think they are ready to take power?
Iím not there to speak in the name of the Tunisian people Ė it has proved that it does not need anyone for that Ė but one of the first things they said was ďitís our revolution and we donít want anyone to steal it from usĒ. They didnít expect that it would spread across borders.
Iíd answer by quoting Ken Loach: ďrevolutions are always contagious.Ē What happened in Egypt yesterday and has been happening for a few days in Algeria is extremely important.
Do you hope to to go Egypt in the next few days?
Iím not a revolutionary tourist (laughter) and am not on a pilgrimage. I came to Tunisia at the request of my comrades whom Iíve been in touch with since the start of the movement. We had simply agreed that I would visit at an appropriate time. Iím in touch with people in Egypt of course. Weíll see what attitude we should take. However our job in France is to fight against our own government and our own imperialism. Itís obviously not the right thatís going to do that.
And the left?
The Socialist Party wonít do anything anymore. Let me remind you that a few days ago Ben Ali was part of the Socialist International and that it was the present government which covered his regime.
What do people in Tunisia think of Franceís attitude?
They are very angry. Sarkozyís excuses are waffle. No one here believes him. Iíve explained that not everyone in France supported the government and all its actions. Iíve heard the French media criticise the governmentís hesitancy but itís much worse than that Ė it is active, concrete, economic and financial complicity.
And are they asking anything from France?
They donít have any intention of living in a dictatorship, thatís for sure. They are not expecting anything from the French government. They have been disappointed and will ask for nothing